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Post  Jimmy Saville on Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:37 am



This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.



This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you.
Make sure you read the paragraph towards the end.



Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish



In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.



Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.



The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.



The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.



In the West World ( America and Britain ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.



By passing this on, enlightened American and British women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.
Ripping the West in Two.
Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.



She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.



Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza .



When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.



But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.



In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.



For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.



Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.



While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.



While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.



It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.



While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.



(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. and Britain To elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. Is one... And there are others...) ( Britain

has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims)



I think everyone in the U.S. and Great Britain Should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!



It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While America and Britain is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America .. (and Britain ) ..



This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen..



Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT!
Put your head back under the covers so you can't see the boogie man!
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Post  El Guapo on Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:35 pm

Intersting post. In the interests of balanced debate let me try to compare these religious beliefs with those held by westerners. I've put my comments where applicable in blue.

Winston wrote:

This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.



This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you.
Make sure you read the paragraph towards the end.



Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish



In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Interestingly...there is no mention in the Bible of a minimum age for consent either. The crime of Peadophilia is a modern day concept and certainly not rooted in any western religious belief. Betrothements to minors in the Christian church is also a very common occurence.

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

To prove rape in the West one needs only convince TWELVE peers...The burden of proof always lies with the accuser doesn't it? As for divorce, in the UK the crime of rape is not technically lawful grounds for divorce either. Honour killings also are not based in scripture (as far as I know) but rather cultural beliefs.

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

Surprisingly, the Bible also permits polygamy.

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."


The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

Our laws control our private lives too don't they? Just because you're doing something behind closed doors it doesn't make it any less illegal.

In the West World ( America and Britain ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities and British Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

Only in civil matters and only because the bar has already been set by allowing other religions, such as Judaism, to independently preside over their civil affairs.

By passing this on, enlightened American and British women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.
Ripping the West in Two.
Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.



She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.

I won't comment on the rest below as I think it's the subjective personal views of the author.

Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza .



When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.



But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.



In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.



For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.



Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.



While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.



While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.



It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.



While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.



(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. and Britain To elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. Is one... And there are others...) ( Britain

has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims)



I think everyone in the U.S. and Great Britain Should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!



It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While America and Britain is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America .. (and Britain ) ..



This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen..



Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT!
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I think what I'm getting at is that most, if not all, religious scriptures have passages that modern day people will find barbaric and outdated. The problem with scripture is that mankind is a dynamic species, constantly developing and adapting to suit its environment. Written words stay the same no matter how many years pass.

I think a great many Muslims do not take the Koran word for word as many Christians do not take the Bible word for word. The only people, in any religion, that decree you are not a true follower if you do not devoutly follow everything to the letter are the Extremists....and they would say that wouldn't they? It's what makes them extremist.

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Post  Jimmy Saville on Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:40 pm

As always, a great supporter of my posts El!! lol
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Post  Jimmy Saville on Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:42 pm

But Fella..........British culture is in danger from an alien Culture/Religion!!
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Post  El Guapo on Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:44 pm

Winston wrote:As always, a great supporter of my posts El!! lol

I'll always support YOU Winston but not necessarily what your personal views are.

IMO debate isn't about winning or losing but simply listening to the other person and trying to reach some common middle ground.

All I try to do in debate is give my views and the reasons why I've reached them Very Happy

Going back on topic...I really hate all scriptures! As far as I'm concerned they are all as bad as each other because they've all been twisted and corrupted to suit the will of Man.

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Post  Jimmy Saville on Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:46 pm

I respect your opinion El............Jeez, if we all agreed, no point in debate! But the Muslim thing is a war for me.......And I am right!! lol
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Post  chelseaz on Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:54 pm

i have lived in both israel and egypt be it 20 years ago i will set these comparisons.israel is the most cosmapolitan society i have ever lived in,you are free to worship your god and the only enemy are those that oppose your choice.i have been back and not a lot has changed just more different nationalites have made their home there.however in cairo 20 years ago very few women covered themselves they were becoming more western thinking and achieving things for themselves.i have been back and cairo is a very different place,the majority of women are covered and you get the feeling that they are protecting themselves from what is to come.i think we need to remind ourselves that if jerusalem falls the west falls.our enemy is now within and we are sleepwalking into our demise.i will defend my faith in god to the end and defend the city of all religions to the end.....if not we are lost......sorry el i am on one tonight but i speak the truth as i see it.....shalom....salam.
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Post  Jimmy Saville on Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:16 pm

Fair point Chelz
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