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Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  El Guapo on Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:07 am

Britains fattest woman, 45st Sharon, died yesterday in Hospital from a heart attack.

She had been placed on a strict diet but begged her family to smuggle in huge buckets of fried chicken and chips which they did. There is no doubt that this contributed to her untimely death.

Should this (and similar cases) be viewed by the CPS as Manslaughter and should the family be tried for their actions that led to Sharon's death?


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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  chelseaz on Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:18 am

YES !
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Post  Guest on Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:58 pm

Well they certainly assisted in her suicide which is against UK Law so yes they should be Prosecuted.

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Post  EarthsAngel on Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:25 am

YES THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED!!!

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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  DarkLord on Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:08 am

In my opinion, No.
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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  El Guapo on Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:03 am

DarkLord wrote:In my opinion, No.

Why not? We can't debate if you just say No! lol

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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  DarkLord on Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:18 am

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Because the few buckets they managed to sneak in didn't Kill her...... The main damage was done LONG before she got to the hospital.
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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  El Guapo on Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:37 am

DarkLord wrote: Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Because the few buckets they managed to sneak in didn't Kill her...... The main damage was done LONG before she got to the hospital.

Good point.


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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  Guest on Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:58 am

DarkLord wrote: Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Because the few buckets they managed to sneak in didn't Kill her...... The main damage was done LONG before she got to the hospital.

But she was moved into hospital so she could be put onto what could have been a life saving diet, the relatives and friends who helped her break the diet prevented what might have been a life saving diet.
Who can say that if she kept to the diet she may have lived a long an fruitful life the relatives undid all the work the hospital was doing to save her life, so yes whoever gave her the food should be held accountable.

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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  El Guapo on Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:13 am

ColinS wrote:
DarkLord wrote: Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Because the few buckets they managed to sneak in didn't Kill her...... The main damage was done LONG before she got to the hospital.

But she was moved into hospital so she could be put onto what could have been a life saving diet, the relatives and friends who helped her break the diet prevented what might have been a life saving diet.
Who can say that if she kept to the diet she may have lived a long an fruitful life the relatives undid all the work the hospital was doing to save her life, so yes whoever gave her the food should be held accountable.

Hi Colin

I think NR hasjust swayed my opinion (the git!)

In order to prove manslaughter you would have to prove that it was the specific bucket of chicken smuggled in by relatives that led to her death. If there's a history of obesity that's going to be almost impossible.

Also, and something I didn;t really consider yesterday, is that before a criminal charge can be brought there must first be a criminal act.

Smuggling in buckets of chicken to a patient in hospital isn't a criminal act.


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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  DarkLord on Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:24 am

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Also, you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink......

Yeah, they smuggled the chicken in but they didn't force her to shove the lot down her gut.......
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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  Guest on Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:03 pm

OK DL / EL

I can see your point BUT....

She must have wanted help or she would not have had a gastric band fitted and she would not have been in hospital she could have left at any time so she wanted help.

Some time ago if a partner went with his loved one to Switzerland where he or she committed suicide the were arrested when they returned home..Ok i know they have relaxed the rules now but the law still stands i believe.

If she had been on a life support machine and the family had switched it off without the hospitals consent would they have been arrested, If they had took a loaded gun in the room and give it her and she had killed herself would that be against the law? If you knew a manic depressive and he/she was on a downer so you found some rope and tied it to a rafter and placed a chair under the rope and helped the person on the chair and he/she hung herself would you be breaking the law?.

On thought the nursing staff must have smelt the fish and chips ect why didn't they stop the family visits or at least supervised them...just a thought.

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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  El Guapo on Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:12 pm

ColinS wrote:OK DL / EL

I can see your point BUT....

She must have wanted help or she would not have had a gastric band fitted and she would not have been in hospital she could have left at any time so she wanted help.

Some time ago if a partner went with his loved one to Switzerland where he or she committed suicide the were arrested when they returned home..Ok i know they have relaxed the rules now but the law still stands i believe.

If she had been on a life support machine and the family had switched it off without the hospitals consent would they have been arrested, If they had took a loaded gun in the room and give it her and she had killed herself would that be against the law? If you knew a manic depressive and he/she was on a downer so you found some rope and tied it to a rafter and placed a chair under the rope and helped the person on the chair and he/she hung herself would you be breaking the law?.

On thought the nursing staff must have smelt the fish and chips ect why didn't they stop the family visits or at least supervised them...just a thought.


You're right she obviously wanted help and you don't get to that size without having some form of mental illness or depression or whatever...BUT...I suppose it's like being addicted to a drug isn't it? You know what you're doing is killing you but you still want and take more and the more you take the more you hate yourself and the more you hate yourself the more you want to take...

Think of it like a drug dealer selling drugs to an addict. The addict then goes off and dies from an overdose only in this case substitute dealer for the family and the drug for a kentucky fried chicken leg lol

Do you then charge the dealer with murder or manslaughter or even assisted suicide? It would never stick so it never happens.

If anything, ultimately, if there was genuine concern for her mental state of mind the authorities are at fault for not keeping her under constant supervision.

Looking at it from an entirely different angle, is the hospital not more at fault for not banning any outside meals whatsoever in a ward that treats dangerously obese patients?

The family were bloody idiots and they will have to live with their guilt for the rest of their lives. But having bloody stupid people in this world is the reason why we have bloody clever people in this world who are supposed to make the rules which help these dipshit lemmings stop themselves from jumping off the nearest cliff...

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Re: Should this family be tried for Manslaughter?

Post  Guest on Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:38 pm

That is true EL she must have had mental problems, i have seen people in Hospital with cancer and they still smoke. don't blame some as they are too far gone but others can add years to their lives.

Her family should have helped her and sometimes that means tough love....or did they want her out the way maybe she became too much of a burden, will we ever know.

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